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we have a very special guest on today

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his name is philip mantle he really

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doesn't need inner introduction because

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everybody knows him and he's been

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involved in the topic of ufology for

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forty years and he just got a wonderful

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report and phil will tell us where he

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got that award at i'm not very good at

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pronouncing the name of it but it's a

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wonderful award it's an astounding

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achievement regarding why he got the

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award and then also he is the publisher

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of flying disc press and he's been

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publishing a UFO and other phenomenon

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related material for many years now and

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i just also wanted to mention that phil

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has many friends in the area through

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fall gene and everybody knows him thank

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you so much for being with us today on

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the film of the show today Phil my

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pleasure my pleasure now I just kind of

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wanted to get into it first let's

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mention the awards that you got that

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wonderful award can you please tell us

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where you got that award out and what it

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wait for yeah there was a conference

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here in my hometown this weekend

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the conference was staged by a magazine

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here called outer limits magazine edited

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by Chris Evers my hometown is called

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Pontefract in the county of West

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Yorkshire in England and much to my

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surprise myself and a colleague by the

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name of Malcolm Robinson both received

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an award this weekend was a great

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surprise but it's it's always nice to

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have a pat on the back and somebody say

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well done so you know it was a bit

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surprising but I'm very pleased yes this

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you should be in also one thing

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everybody knows about you

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Phil is that you're extremely humble

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person and you don't like to

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you don't really talk yourself up that

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much you just sort of a just the facts

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kind of guy and you also thoroughly

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enjoy the friendships that you have

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regarding the topic that you and I cover

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on a regular you have some very deep

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friendships with some very high profile

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people can you mention a few of the

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well-known people that she published

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books for yeah I mean you know I've made

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friends in this subject around the world

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chance I mean little it just before

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speaking to you this evening I've been

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speaking to a friend of mine in Norway

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and he and I met in the 1980s he was

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part of a UFO group there that's how we

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met and we've been great friends ever

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since and you know I published a wide

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variety of things by different authors

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around the world one of the ideas I had

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when I started flying this press was to

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try and publish material that perhaps we

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don't see in the West and often because

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of the language barrier I saw a

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published information from Poland and

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Romania and Italy I have a book out next

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week sorry next month from a Japanese

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researcher so you know I don't it goes

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yeah we'd also like to mention something

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interesting about publishing in

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different languages

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it's not that simple to just get it

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instantly translated it meaning a book

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or some kind of material a person wants

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to publish they have to get very

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thoroughly involved in finding an

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individual who has the ability to edit

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books properly and translate in the most

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correct manner possible so it must be

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very difficult and you know challenging

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at times for you to find just the right

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people to help you publish the books and

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the language that you decide you want it

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to be published in isn't that correct

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that easy I'm not a trained you know

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publisher already too you know and we're

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just being fortunate chunked you know

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because we've been involved for so long

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and I know a lot of people in you and

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you can call on friends to help I've

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made some mistakes along the way I don't

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I don't profess to be perfect

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but you know last year my colleague Paul

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Stonehill and I on our first book

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published in Russia so this year we have

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two more coming out in Russia with a

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company their mobile guy will be by dr.

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closest encounter will be our in Russian

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and a variety of other languages as well

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so you know a lot of my colleagues went

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down a similar route challenge you know

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they went from being a researcher to

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being a writer or magazine editor and so

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so I just been lucky I guess yeah I'd

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like to mention two things regarding

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what you just said one is dr. Elena

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Scott a wonderful person who's been

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deeply involved in the topic of ufology

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for many decades and she herself who she

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also deserves an award I know you agree

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with me on that bill regarding being a

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top-notch UFO researcher she was just in

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Phoenix Arizona it's doing a wonderful

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talk for MUFON also regarding Calvin

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UFO Congress owned by Karen Gerard and

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also helped to manage in the sense of

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helping to manage the UFO Congress by

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UFO researcher also Calvin Parker will

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be there that September 4th through the

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8th I highly recommend everybody go to

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that it's a wonderful conference that is

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probably the biggest year for Concord

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the conference worldwide now Phil also

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wanted to mention something anecdotal

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and that is Spyros Millar's was skulking

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around that wonderful UFO conference you

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were at sneaking around trying to avoid

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you so that he could surprise you

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Pontefract isn't that correct mr. X I

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mean you know I helped to organize the

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event where Chris was the main organizer

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and he said I've got a special guest but

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he wouldn't tell me who it was so I just

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forgot about him to be honest we had

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another special guest we had a gentleman

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come over from Greece and do a short

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presentation and I thought he was the

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special guest and lo and behold you know

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who's hiding in the curtains on the

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stage it's spirits Belarus you know and

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did make me chocolate really did yeah

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he's a lovely person and also wanted to

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mention to everybody just to update you

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on the 18 minute alien autopsy film that

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some people have claimed to own which is

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not correct the only true owner of that

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film would be Spyros Millar's isn't that

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correct absolutely all right thank you

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so I just wanted to make sure the

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listeners understand that and if they

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need any evidence or proof of that he

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does have the document to provide to

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everyone which I can also show in the

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chat room after we play this clip on

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Aaron the document so everybody can look

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at that for their review to see how he

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is in fact the owner of the

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non-toxic though now till you did a

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really wonderful post today that caught

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my eye got very excited about it I'm

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gonna bring up a screenshot of it for

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myself and I'll be sure to share that

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during the interview when we aired this

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actually many screenshots including

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pictures that you shared now I'm gonna

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read the post the post that you did

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today was this just a few words to say I

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be of interest I have been filming my

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part in UFO documentary series over the

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last two days I still have one more day

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of filming to be done shortly in London

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during today's interview I was asked

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about my involvement in the infamous

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alien autopsy film hoax as we discussed

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this I told the producer that I actually

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had one of the film canisters which was

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sent to me years ago by Ray Santilli

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this film can had been left in my filing

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cabinet for years well I took it out and

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hey presto what do I find in it a hand

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signed note from Col Kelleher and Eric

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recently leaked alien autopsy memo not

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only that there were still a few frames

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of 16 millimeter film that Ray Santilli

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claims are from the alien autopsy film

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here are some photos I have taken today

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so you can see what I'm talking about I

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film for analysis and get a beta camp

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baked ham copy of the alien autopsy film

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I do get a brief mention in the

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now-famous memo it still makes me smile

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when I look back at some what some

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people have recently written about the

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I had forgotten that I had these little

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nuggets in my filing cabinet

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I wonder what analysis tell her and

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Davis conducted on these bits of rubbish

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film in the meantime I'm looking forward

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to reading Richard Dolan's article on

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his interview with dr. Kip green for

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Richards sake I do hope that he's still

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not going down the CIA route with regard

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to the alien autopsy films in a

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disinformation film made by them we

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shall see end of quote and the posed by

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felt natural regarding the text of it

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then we move on to the pictures now of

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the pictures that you shared were

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absolutely wonderful it's a picture of

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an old film canister and then we have it

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opened and then on the inside of that

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open full count

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plant canister we have a wonderful note

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here that says received from Philip

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mantel via bill McGarrett II on August

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25th at 10:00 a.m. signed I I'm adding

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the word signed by the way called

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Kelleher and Eric W Davis and it looks

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like those are their signatures because

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the the means right there regarding calm

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and Eric are distinctly different

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regarding

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the look of their names compared to the

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actual text written on that green

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post-it note and on that green post-it

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note laying on top of it are tiny little

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bits of film

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now my question I have many questions

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for you actually film yeah my question

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to you is is it safe to assume that it's

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possible that this is calm Kelliher

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signature and Eric W Davis's signature

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on the screens a post-it note inside

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this film canister yeah absolutely and I

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mean the post-it note is stuck on a

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little envelope and the little slivers

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of film that you see 16 millimeter film

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what actually inside the envelope okay

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and my other question to you is could

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because I will be showing this picture

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to the audience regarding this green

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post-it note and these tiny little

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frames of sixteen millimeter film that

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you have what are we looking at down

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well the old guess is as good as mine I

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mean I was contacted by comb Kalinin and

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Bill Maher but guarantee or whatever his

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name is when they run the National

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Institute of Discovery Sciences which

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was Byblos organization and he contacted

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me on the email and it just asked me to

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help firstly get a good copy of the

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alien autopsy film you know a good

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quality copy which I did and they asked

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me to see if I could help get them some

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film for analysis which I did and these

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are the slivers of film are some of them

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I think originally it was a bit longer

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than that because I've got some old

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photographs of the same bits of film

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chance but they're a bit longer so I

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assume they cut a couple off I don't

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like them how many I never got any

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feedback what you see is what was

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returned it was it was in a it was

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returned by Federal Express so I still

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have it in the same package that he

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arrived in and it's just been stuck in

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my

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filing capital which is right next to me

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here for years so you know what the when

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we're talking to the producer today I

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just said I'll show you if you like so I

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took you out the it comes in two parts

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of course and it's it's a bit bent so it

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sticks it's not easy to get open

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so I monies to open it and I pressed all

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these bits and pieces were still in

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there and forgotten all about them okay

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I have I have many questions but I want

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to mention to our audience that when you

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say that producer who you're referring

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to is actually a person involved in the

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UFO documentaries are currently involved

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in isn't that job yeah they're making a

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four part series and I'm just a small

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part of it of your having realized that

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you have these artifacts in your

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possession was it something that tripped

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a memory or were you just going through

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your cabinets what's this story film

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well they just you know we're just

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talking in general about the alien

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autopsy film and how I became involved

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and so on so I have here you know the

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art the the alien autopsy film itself on

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video which Ray Santilli sold so I've

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got a copy of that show them that and I

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said and I just remembered I've still

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got the film County so well the whole

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file drawer of my filing cabinet is

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dedicated to the research ended on the

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alien autopsy film so those documents

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that papers and we're talking about some

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of these and I said oh by the way I've

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still got one of the film canisters and

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I'll get it out so I show them they took

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some still photographs of it as well and

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then I popped it open and and there was

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the little envelope with the with a

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post-it note on it and a few frames in

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you know inside so don't even really

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comment on it I just put it to one side

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are you in a position Phil to actually

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take those tiny bits of frames of film

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and sort of put them in the air and have

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somebody take a picture of them so we

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can see them in their entirety well I've

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seen them in their entirety although

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only on the picture I did you know that

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is all that is I said you know that is

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it okay so let me let me ask my question

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better I apologize

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is there a light box available to you no

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I don't have a light box well all I did

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was put them on my my scanner

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put a piece of white paper over the top

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of them and then scanned it in so you

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know and and zoomed in on it and so he

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seemed pretty clearly what images are on

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it there's no image of the alien on it

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but these were sent to me by rain sound

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until he claims they are from the alien

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autopsy film okay so I'm gonna be

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redundant and ask you the same question

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again I'm gonna have another question do

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you feel it's possible for you to find a

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light box she would be able to put them

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on there so that we can see them more

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clearly I would think you that's all I

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can click jump if I'm honest okay all

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right the other question I have for you

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would you consider possibly allowing

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some kind of specialist person who

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specializes regarding photography or

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film to be able to scrutinize them

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and look them over oh absolutely okay I

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know that this was done

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Spira smell Aras actually contacted an

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individual I think he was from Kodak and

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as far as Morris and I had talked about

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this individual who very carefully went

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over the film and don't all have to go

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ahead and interview far as regarding

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that because I really cannot represent

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the information that he shared with me

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on that

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without his permission so anyway what I

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wanted to go over with you is something

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that's very interesting and Don is so I

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have a shared screen with Phil so my

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listeners know what I'm doing here with

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Phil's I'm going to share my screen and

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I'm going to show him something he's

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already looked at before and that is the

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alien autopsy memo that most people have

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seen that have become involved in

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researching this alien autopsy memo I'll

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go ahead and share the link to that

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later on when I aired this

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now on page two of this alien autopsy

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memo which is called alien autopsy proof

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which was uploaded on journey June 3rd

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and by the way it says alien autopsy

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proof email communication on imgur is

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when it was dropped for public view and

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it starts out saying memorandum to Bob

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Bigelow from Eric Davis knids

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which is the National Institute for

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discovery science and CC's called

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Kelleher nudes date says 323 2001 and it

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says regarding revision of memo 2:23 of

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0 1 and kick greens professional

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evaluation of the alien autopsy from the

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Roswell incident its incident film video

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and other related information just an

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aside I wanted to mention to our

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listeners that if this is the revision

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memo I would certainly love to have seen

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the original now moving on to page 2

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I don't know if you can see this but I'm

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going to send you the link to this so

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that you can quickly get to it if you

409
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need to let me go ahead and put this for

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you here in Skype see if you can click

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on that fill that link that comes up if

412
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you need it again let me know I'll send

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it as many times as you want me to okay

414
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so garrison I can see the memo anyway ok

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so it looks like and I'm looking for it

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it says let me just look for it I

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apologize so we might be quite here firm

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thank you here it is now so if you go to

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page two go to one two three four

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paragraphs down counting the words that

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start on page two as a paragraph the

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fourth paragraph down with an actual

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arrow pointing to the right

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it says bill McGarrity and later Coleman

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that in comb calico contacted Philip

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mantel and arranged for Santilli to get

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us a first generation beta cam video and

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pieces of the alien autopsy film this

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was a result of the meeting and

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conversations that took place with you

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me Colm and Phil McGarity when bill came

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to visit us in June 2000 now I believe

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okay when we finish calm then had the H

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format copies made of the beta cam and I

435
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sent a copy to kit for his professional

436
00:21:05,950 --> 00:21:02,690
evaluation now when this person says in

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the memo with you me calm and Bill

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00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:08,630
McGarity the person who says me I

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00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:12,529
believe is Eric Davis now right here I

440
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and you and I had talked for long

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periods of time about this memo on a

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long time

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00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:21,890
Phil and I had asked you previously and

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I think I even emailed you on this

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00:21:29,710 --> 00:21:25,970
actually is how it was what I did I

446
00:21:32,139 --> 00:21:29,720
emailed you this I said Phil the basic

447
00:21:34,690 --> 00:21:32,149
gist of the discussion was who is Bill

448
00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:34,700
McGarity and you had been on vacation

449
00:21:39,820 --> 00:21:36,260
all that but you still got back to me

450
00:21:42,370 --> 00:21:39,830
nonetheless and you said that you had no

451
00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:42,380
idea who bill McGarrity is now my

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question to you is this

453
00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:47,450
bill since you found this wonderful

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00:21:53,769 --> 00:21:50,630
canister basically a set of artifacts

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00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:53,779
did that help to create a provenance

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leading back to this memo which is

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important I wanted to know

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00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:04,290
do you now remember who bill McGarrity

459
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:10,290
is okay now what's interesting about the

460
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:12,930
green post-it note picture that you

461
00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:14,970
shared with everybody on your post today

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is Bill McGarrett E's name is spelled

463
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differently on it it has two R's and in

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the memo it has one off believe it or

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not that makes a difference now the

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difference it makes is when a person

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looks up William bill McGarrity or

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William McGarrity with one arm it can

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bring up different results now use the

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same set of names with a double R and I

471
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believe you get different results now

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the results that I got when I lift up

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bill McGarrity with one arm how about I

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00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:01,110
show you what I found with two R's

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I found William bill McGarity deputy

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director director for operations in

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Washington District of Columbia and that

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is for the United States Department of

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Defense and it also says senior

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consultant for bloom Horse Inc an Army

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officer and his education was in

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National War College

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the USAF Air Command and Staff College

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and st. Mary's University and I believe

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Georgia Southern University now the

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other thing I wanted to point out and

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it's funny because this wonderful

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00:23:50,030 --> 00:23:47,940
researcher he's very well known his name

489
00:23:54,170 --> 00:23:50,040
is Keith pastor field we all love him

490
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he's a great UFO researcher she found a

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bill McGarrity with one arm and would

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like to let everybody know you know it's

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important everybody understands in the

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alien autopsy it just shows one arm okay

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for his name so there was really no need

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possibly for Keith to have looked up a

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double R because who would have thought

498
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:19,380
of that right now now it says here on

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Keith's research regarding bill McGarry

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paragraph four on page two of the

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document mentions a bill McGarrity is

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contacting Philip man of Rivia regarding

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the alien autopsy film so who was

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McGarity the same paragraph mentions out

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and bill McGarity when bill came to

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visit us in june 2000 that's a quote

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from the alien autopsy memo and it says

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it goes on to say by keith here on his

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UFO scientific research blogspot a

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website he says i found an online

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website which provided a resume for one

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thomas McGarity thomas of w majority who

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worked up to at least January 98 at Los

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Alamos National Labs the reason I think

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this is the correct though McGarity is

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that John Alexander mids employee worked

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at that laboratory after he left the

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Department of Defense now I can

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understand why he made that connection

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however that doesn't necessarily mean

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anything now now funny enough when I say

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who would have thought about an extra

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arm actually I did this a long time ago

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with Frank last month Frank and I looked

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00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:32,250
up McGarrity actually we did this right

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after the document was dropped we look

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for a McGarrett immediately and we found

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00:25:41,659 --> 00:25:38,580
the same link that Keith did I'm sure of

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00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:41,669
a few few others do as well but I don't

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00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:43,290
think anybody looked up the double arm

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00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:48,179
now when I did that I told Frank it's

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important to look up the singular just

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one hour and double our just in case now

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00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:56,549
what I found with one arm I've started

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00:26:03,339 --> 00:26:00,299
to ours was something interesting and

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00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:03,349
that is a while back

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00:26:08,569 --> 00:26:06,449
Hector quintanilla the United States Air

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00:26:10,879 --> 00:26:08,579
Force retired and retired wrote an

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article called preface to UFOs and

540
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:15,479
airforce dilemma and in that blog that

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00:26:20,749 --> 00:26:17,940
he wrote which I'll share with folks in

542
00:26:22,699 --> 00:26:20,759
the chat room later I'm gonna go ahead

543
00:26:26,989 --> 00:26:22,709
and start reading a little bit of what

544
00:26:33,409 --> 00:26:26,999
of what he said this was can you still

545
00:26:36,739 --> 00:26:33,419
hear me fill by the way oh are you still

546
00:26:39,259 --> 00:26:36,749
there Phil yeah okay you cut out for a

547
00:26:41,569 --> 00:26:39,269
second okay so I'm gonna start reading a

548
00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:41,579
little bit about this McGarity and it's

549
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:43,829
in the middle of a paragraph of what

550
00:26:50,180 --> 00:26:46,799
Hector quintanilla said a wrote sorry

551
00:26:54,069 --> 00:26:50,190
for his blog it says when general crew

552
00:26:57,379 --> 00:26:54,079
shank or Cruikshank received a call from

553
00:27:00,859 --> 00:26:57,389
McGarrity he got all excited and

554
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:00,869
hollered for IV nom elite his secretary

555
00:27:07,339 --> 00:27:04,169
IV entered his inner sanctum and told

556
00:27:09,139 --> 00:27:07,349
her get me that goddamned quintanilla

557
00:27:11,539 --> 00:27:09,149
you would have thought that I was

558
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:11,549
responsible for the hearings I be called

559
00:27:16,569 --> 00:27:13,529
me in my office and asked what's up now

560
00:27:21,369 --> 00:27:16,579
so McGarity was mentioned once there and

561
00:27:25,069 --> 00:27:21,379
you don't ever see him again apparently

562
00:27:28,339 --> 00:27:25,079
he is let me just double check and see

563
00:27:31,129 --> 00:27:28,349
if he is mentioned again he is mentioned

564
00:27:32,899 --> 00:27:31,139
again so it says I walked into his

565
00:27:35,479 --> 00:27:32,909
office and immediately told me McGarity

566
00:27:37,849 --> 00:27:35,489
told him then you might have to back up

567
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:37,859
the secretary at the hearing okay so

568
00:27:41,439 --> 00:27:40,919
there's something else there now here we

569
00:27:44,209 --> 00:27:41,449
go

570
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,219
Colonel McGarrity of public affairs

571
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:47,039
called general Cruikshank on Thursday at

572
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:50,849
approximately 2:00 p.m. so apparently

573
00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:53,369
this McGarry with the double are with

574
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:57,329
the same exact name that is in the alien

575
00:28:02,910 --> 00:28:01,440
autopsy memo is a colonel not to say

576
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:02,920
that's necessarily the same

577
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:06,130
man but that's what I found now it's

578
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:08,110
just the reason why I'm going through

579
00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:12,010
all this kind of boring stuff is because

580
00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:13,660
I'm trying to see if this strikes a

581
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:15,460
chord for you does any of this strike a

582
00:28:19,710 --> 00:28:17,740
chord of memory for you not at all I

583
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:19,720
mean I remember being contacted by

584
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:24,730
Michael Callahan but no I never heard

585
00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:26,410
the name I can't remember the name

586
00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:31,300
McGarrity at all and so they think you

587
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:33,070
know I was German I'm not gonna clue

588
00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:35,530
okay well just so everybody knows I

589
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,440
didn't do a lot of research on McGarity

590
00:28:43,290 --> 00:28:40,960
with one R and a double r I came up with

591
00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:43,300
studies and intelligence volume 22

592
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:45,700
number one spring of 1978 for the CIA

593
00:28:52,260 --> 00:28:48,010
there might be a McGarrity mentioned in

594
00:28:57,030 --> 00:28:52,270
there with the same name the there's

595
00:29:00,090 --> 00:28:57,040
also let's see what else I have an

596
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:00,100
obituaries for William McGarrity the

597
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:05,200
devil arm and so there's actually quite

598
00:29:09,410 --> 00:29:06,610
a few leaks what I'll do is I'll share

599
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:09,420
all the links in the chat room later and

600
00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:12,460
regarding the McGarrett E's I found I

601
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:15,040
was just hoping that by reading some of

602
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:18,970
that interesting stuff that you might be

603
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:22,720
able to recall who he was I everybody

604
00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:24,280
kind of wants to know who this bill

605
00:29:29,490 --> 00:29:26,830
McGarrity is because you know he's

606
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:29,500
mentioned in the memo and then I see

607
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,280
here that he's being mentioned yet again

608
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:34,960
in the history of this alien autopsy

609
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:39,720
memo on that post-it note so obviously

610
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:44,110
this individual has been mentioned more

611
00:29:50,130 --> 00:29:47,050
than once now what's interesting also

612
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:50,140
I'd like to point out to our audience is

613
00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:53,350
in this alien autopsy memo it mentions

614
00:30:04,740 --> 00:29:59,490
how I believe that in let's see

615
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:04,750
that in the late 90s I believe calm

616
00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:07,060
Kelleher was interested possibly

617
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:09,880
interested in a tissue sample sample of

618
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:12,730
this so-called alien now let me read

619
00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:14,560
this right here I want to make sure I'm

620
00:30:18,930 --> 00:30:16,030
right if I'm wrong I want to correct

621
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:18,940
myself first page of the alien autopsy

622
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,830
memo says KITT was breached three

623
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:22,480
different times during and after his

624
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:25,630
tenure at CIA on topics relevant to UFOs

625
00:30:30,990 --> 00:30:28,420
and the Roswell incident alien autopsy

626
00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:31,000
briefing number one official briefing at

627
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,270
the Pentagon in 1981 while KITT was at

628
00:30:40,050 --> 00:30:36,640
the CIA he was briefed on evidence that

629
00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:40,060
something UFOs was flying around this

630
00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:41,680
evidence was in the form of collected

631
00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:43,900
intelligence data there is no discussion

632
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:46,660
of alien crash retrieval hardware or

633
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:50,050
bodies in this venue under additional

634
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:52,690
query to KITT by Hal and Jim Westwood

635
00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:55,000
last fall it was ascertained that

636
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,440
description of the briefings met the

637
00:31:00,930 --> 00:30:58,720
standard of being an actual official

638
00:31:04,050 --> 00:31:00,940
briefing now it just goes on to say

639
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:04,060
other things now it says briefing number

640
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:04,480
two

641
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:06,810
unofficial briefing at the Pentagon

642
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:10,240
1987-88 after KITT left the CIA he was

643
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:11,980
called into the Pentagon by person

644
00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:14,410
uniform this person showed KITT the

645
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:17,830
alien autopsy photos and reports etc the

646
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:20,760
photos of the alien cadaver KITT saw

647
00:31:27,030 --> 00:31:23,410
KITT saw were consistent with the

648
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:27,040
cadaver scene in the 1995 Santilli film

649
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:29,830
video KITT was asked to professionally

650
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:31,690
evaluate the material provided to him at

651
00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:34,420
this particular briefing okay so I was

652
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,100
wrong it wasn't the

653
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:40,000
it was a late ease now what's

654
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:41,350
interesting about this is it's

655
00:31:48,270 --> 00:31:45,070
absolutely wrong when it says here that

656
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:48,280
Kant left the CIA and was called in the

657
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Pentagon by person uniform to then view

658
00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:55,050
the alien autopsy photos and reports and

659
00:32:02,400 --> 00:31:59,100
the photos of the alien cadaver kits saw

660
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:02,410
that allegedly were consistent with the

661
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:05,110
cadaver scene in the 1995 Santelli film

662
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:08,110
video in fact how could he absolute

663
00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:11,770
actually have seen that if it was in 87

664
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:14,550
and 88 now I know you know this Phil

665
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:17,290
Spyros has brought this up that there's

666
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:20,350
absolutely no way there have to be

667
00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:24,580
somebody travelling back in time or kid

668
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:32,590
to have seen the 1995 18 minute alien

669
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:38,710
autopsy film and then see go go to this

670
00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:42,490
briefing at the Pentagon allegedly in 87

671
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:45,670
and 88 and by a person at the Pentagon

672
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:48,850
be exposed to reviewing the alien

673
00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:53,250
autopsy photos and reports that

674
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:56,590
allegedly revealed an alien cadaver that

675
00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:58,690
were consistent with the cadaver scene

676
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:01,480
in the film and video being the alien

677
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:04,450
autopsy film now now there is one thing

678
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:07,750
I'd like to point out here he may have

679
00:33:15,650 --> 00:33:12,100
seen allegedly seen something that

680
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:15,660
looked like the 18 minute alien autopsy

681
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:20,440
movie in 1995 but there's no way he

682
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:23,230
could have been reminded of that in 87

683
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:26,050
and 88 because and he would have had to

684
00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:28,210
been traveling through time now the one

685
00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:29,560
thing I wanted to point out to everybody

686
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:31,390
is this

687
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:36,950
if 1995 on that memory and eighty-eight

688
00:33:45,370 --> 00:33:39,710
of him having seen allegedly an alien

689
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:45,380
cadaver an alleged cadaver reminded him

690
00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:48,350
then of that memory in 88 then that's

691
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:52,700
understandable but but we have to make

692
00:33:57,820 --> 00:33:54,710
it clear that this alien

693
00:33:59,920 --> 00:33:57,830
18-minute alien autopsy film is fake

694
00:34:02,800 --> 00:33:59,930
it's not real

695
00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:02,810
fill your thoughts well yeah I mean it

696
00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:06,020
goes on later in this memo to clarify

697
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:09,800
that particular point and he says that

698
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:15,590
what he saw in 1987 so 88 was in capital

699
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:18,889
letters the same as the alien autopsy

700
00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:22,879
film released in 1995 not similar not

701
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:25,220
kind of like you know it wasn't

702
00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:27,409
reminding him of anything he says he was

703
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:32,120
the same I don't care cannot of being

704
00:34:39,879 --> 00:34:36,260
the same it is just simply impossible I

705
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:39,889
mean you know people are then inferring

706
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:44,110
that the CIA had some kind of

707
00:34:50,369 --> 00:34:46,610
involvement in faking the alien autopsy

708
00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:50,379
film which is just ludicrous you know

709
00:34:55,810 --> 00:34:53,480
right and then also just something that

710
00:34:59,020 --> 00:34:55,820
we I would like to mention that I've

711
00:35:04,020 --> 00:34:59,030
mentioned before in other podcasts and

712
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:04,030
that is one reason why this alien

713
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:10,910
autopsy that this film the mention of in

714
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:16,030
this memo ring says is not authentic

715
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:20,000
regarding kit having reviewed it as an

716
00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:23,690
actual autopsy is because kit who is a

717
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:28,630
scientist said allegedly in this

718
00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:33,890
no corpus callosum no Sylvian fissure no

719
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:37,580
temporal lobe no occipital lobe no

720
00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:40,550
vernix no cerebellum no in Dula habla

721
00:35:46,930 --> 00:35:44,780
gotta know rug a now it goes on later in

722
00:35:50,770 --> 00:35:46,940
the memo to say and by the way I'm

723
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:50,780
reading that from page six that it talks

724
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:53,540
about specifically guts okay so it

725
00:36:00,100 --> 00:35:57,890
mentions guts gu TS the stomach area now

726
00:36:05,830 --> 00:36:00,110
just so everybody understands there is

727
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:05,840
no such thing as brain rug a ok rug is a

728
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:07,730
term used in anatomy that refers to a

729
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:09,890
series of ridges produced by folding of

730
00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:13,400
the wall of an organ and it's most

731
00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:16,460
commonly used to regarding the internal

732
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,160
surface of this stomach gastric rugged

733
00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:22,400
okay so there's no such thing as brain

734
00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:25,100
rocking you would think that a scientist

735
00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:29,150
a person at his level of expertise would

736
00:36:34,510 --> 00:36:31,400
understand that and just so we're clear

737
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:34,520
with everybody that area of the memo is

738
00:36:41,170 --> 00:36:36,950
only talking about the brain it's not

739
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:41,180
talking about anything else okay so and

740
00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:41,930
there's just too many other

741
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:43,820
inconsistencies regarding this memo I

742
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:46,970
will not go into because it will go into

743
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:50,000
that later in this broadcast and I'll go

744
00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:51,710
ahead and just continue on with my

745
00:36:58,210 --> 00:36:53,720
interview with Phil still I wanted to

746
00:37:02,170 --> 00:36:58,220
ask you when people talk to you about

747
00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:02,180
the alien autopsy memo regarding the

748
00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:07,460
inlet alien autopsy film would you just

749
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:11,780
tell them in general about it well tell

750
00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:13,610
them the memo was being released and she

751
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:16,790
had to be authenticated you know by

752
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:21,170
those that's mentioned in it and the

753
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:24,170
alien autopsy film in general is 100%

754
00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:26,810
fake and the man that made it is Spiros

755
00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:29,360
Norris and there's ample evidence to

756
00:37:36,610 --> 00:37:32,840
prove that not suggest it not think it

757
00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:36,620
is it's it's it's proven so you know

758
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:38,420
people have jumped on the bandwagon with

759
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:39,710
this this release

760
00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:42,800
this memo or whatever it turns out to be

761
00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:49,700
and who whoever posted it laid there the

762
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:52,550
you know it says alien autopsy proof

763
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:54,530
that's how it's listed online when it

764
00:37:59,020 --> 00:37:56,930
was when it was don't that hasn't been

765
00:38:01,900 --> 00:37:59,030
added later the heading alien autopsy

766
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,910
proof email communication and of course

767
00:38:07,780 --> 00:38:03,920
we've had Ray Santilli say you know oh

768
00:38:09,339 --> 00:38:07,790
yeah it's told you it was real this now

769
00:38:14,349 --> 00:38:09,349
proves it well it doesn't prove anything

770
00:38:16,450 --> 00:38:14,359
because it's a fake right and okay so

771
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:16,460
thank you very much for that and you

772
00:38:20,740 --> 00:38:18,170
also mention that you're hoping that

773
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:20,750
Richard Dolan would not go down the path

774
00:38:32,589 --> 00:38:26,950
of falling for the idea that kit

775
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:32,599
actually analyzed and reviewed the real

776
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,800
alien the real fake 18-minute alien

777
00:38:45,370 --> 00:38:39,920
autopsy film the actual 18 minute alien

778
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:45,380
autopsy film hoax film back in 88 87 88

779
00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:48,770
with the Pentagon now a you were hoping

780
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:49,880
he wouldn't fall for that

781
00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:52,810
CIA disinformation idea is that correct

782
00:38:58,839 --> 00:38:55,790
yeah I mean you know we know that Kate

783
00:39:01,690 --> 00:38:58,849
green whether this is correct or not did

784
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:01,700
work for the CIA and I'm sure he's a

785
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:05,599
very intelligent man but if this memo

786
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:09,710
for example were authentic then look

787
00:39:15,849 --> 00:39:11,570
that intelligent because he's fallen for

788
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:15,859
a hoax because he also got this memo is

789
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:18,050
saying is that he gives his professional

790
00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:20,810
medical he's an MD he was a medical

791
00:39:29,859 --> 00:39:24,520
doctor gives his professional evaluation

792
00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:29,869
and he says it's real so lots of clever

793
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:31,940
people but they also have a belief

794
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:34,310
system chance which is different from

795
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:38,540
whatever education they may have so you

796
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:41,210
know I think richard has been in touch

797
00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:42,880
with kink grains

798
00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:45,580
he's done an interview with him that's

799
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,280
not been made available yet although

800
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:51,280
he's really some snippets of it in his

801
00:40:00,210 --> 00:39:54,970
green now allegedly says that the the

802
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:00,220
CIA lied to him back in 1987 1988 in

803
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:02,650
what respect they lied I don't know but

804
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:04,990
you know there is no way on this earth

805
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:08,410
that the CIA are connected whether this

806
00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:12,490
document is it's authentic or not there

807
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:14,680
is no where they're connected with the

808
00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:16,630
alien autopsy film you know I've I've

809
00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:19,120
traced it from it's from its Genesis

810
00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:22,060
chance right the way through to today

811
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,440
and you know there is no intelligence

812
00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:28,480
involvement in it whatsoever

813
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:31,390
you know with respect to Spiros he

814
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:33,130
didn't come up with the idea to make the

815
00:40:37,170 --> 00:40:34,990
alien autopsy him although he made it

816
00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:37,180
the gentleman that came up with it

817
00:40:42,450 --> 00:40:39,670
I spoke to again just recently and

818
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:42,460
they're there they're amused by all this

819
00:40:50,910 --> 00:40:45,700
you know are they not secrets not hidden

820
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:50,920
away no I wanted to also mention to

821
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:52,660
everybody to please go to page eight

822
00:40:57,810 --> 00:40:55,450
because there's something that might

823
00:41:00,960 --> 00:40:57,820
make Phil laugh I'm not sure whether he

824
00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:00,970
finds it irritating or funny now I'll go

825
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:07,060
ahead and read it but so Kitt's

826
00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:11,760
allegedly said on page eight of this

827
00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:14,740
this Bob Bigelow memo I guess you could

828
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:17,350
call it this alien autopsy memo he

829
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:21,010
allegedly said that's easy

830
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:23,020
okay so I'll read I'll read what was

831
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:24,610
asked first of him so it makes sense

832
00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:26,970
when I read what he his reply was

833
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,100
allegedly Erik Davis asked on number

834
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:32,800
seven of page eight and why is the

835
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:35,370
excruciating CC indeed disinformation

836
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:38,290
the heavy concentrated debunking that

837
00:41:41,539 --> 00:41:40,330
befell the video and Santilli when it

838
00:41:43,699 --> 00:41:41,549
aired etc

839
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,709
active measures to hide it from the

840
00:41:48,739 --> 00:41:45,839
public now just so everybody understands

841
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:48,749
what C C and D is that means camouflage

842
00:41:53,029 --> 00:41:50,729
concealment and deception which is a

843
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:53,039
military term again camouflage

844
00:41:59,899 --> 00:41:56,579
concealment and deception now kids said

845
00:42:02,689 --> 00:41:59,909
that's easy the PR folks around Santilli

846
00:42:05,539 --> 00:42:02,699
are indeed not operating with the full

847
00:42:08,889 --> 00:42:05,549
set of dishes are a little dense and not

848
00:42:14,209 --> 00:42:08,899
very nice to boot there is much

849
00:42:18,949 --> 00:42:14,219
camouflage concealment and deception

850
00:42:21,049 --> 00:42:18,959
he said CCD disinformation at all there

851
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:21,059
doesn't need to be I think this is a

852
00:42:26,989 --> 00:42:24,390
basic flaw in the analyses we have all

853
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:26,999
been doing the only explanation needed

854
00:42:32,359 --> 00:42:29,729
is simple it is a legitimately

855
00:42:34,249 --> 00:42:32,369
classified black program controlled by

856
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:34,259
persons who have clout and power are

857
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:36,329
very smart and amongst the brightest

858
00:42:41,389 --> 00:42:38,729
persons on the planet and then it goes

859
00:42:44,659 --> 00:42:41,399
on and just continues to rent this is

860
00:42:48,289 --> 00:42:44,669
all alleged allegedly said by KITT now

861
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:48,299
when he says bill the PR folks ran

862
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:50,130
Santilli are indeed not operating with a

863
00:42:54,709 --> 00:42:52,049
full set of dishes are little dents and

864
00:42:57,019 --> 00:42:54,719
not very nice to boot I see you laughing

865
00:42:58,639 --> 00:42:57,029
by the way Dylan I can see each other

866
00:43:01,219 --> 00:42:58,649
right now just so everybody understands

867
00:43:06,109 --> 00:43:01,229
he's a laughing he finds that quite

868
00:43:07,669 --> 00:43:06,119
humorous why is that so it really does

869
00:43:11,989 --> 00:43:07,679
puzzle me and doesn't make a lot because

870
00:43:14,539 --> 00:43:11,999
there were no PR folks you know people

871
00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:14,549
have thought for years that Ray Santilli

872
00:43:20,299 --> 00:43:18,119
had some kind of PR campaign to release

873
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:20,309
the alien autopsy film well that was

874
00:43:28,879 --> 00:43:23,729
certainly not the case you know the cat

875
00:43:32,449 --> 00:43:28,889
got out of the bag by accident Jan that

876
00:43:34,999 --> 00:43:32,459
was my fault and the the alien autopsy

877
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:35,009
film took on a life of its own and it

878
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:39,630
just snowballs and you know there was no

879
00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:41,729
there was no I don't know how these PR

880
00:43:46,759 --> 00:43:43,799
folks are supposed to be Ray Santilli

881
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:46,769
employed one gentleman and he was called

882
00:43:52,170 --> 00:43:50,339
Chris Kerry Chris wasn't in PR at all

883
00:43:55,650 --> 00:43:52,180
Chris was brought

884
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:55,660
into probably it was quite a you know a

885
00:44:00,299 --> 00:43:57,609
well-respected man within the the

886
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:00,309
television business but Chris was

887
00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:02,410
brought in to negotiate the television

888
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:04,780
contracts and and try and calm things

889
00:44:10,589 --> 00:44:08,470
down someone keep trying get back a

890
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:10,599
degree of control because like I said it

891
00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:13,690
had just run away so it certainly wasn't

892
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:17,020
PR it certainly wasn't dense he was a

893
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:20,680
very intelligent man you know I didn't

894
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:23,109
particularly like him but he certainly

895
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,990
wasn't dense are you good and if they

896
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:27,760
are referring to Chris Kerry they say

897
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:30,490
not very nice well Chris was nice and

898
00:44:36,839 --> 00:44:32,950
polite they had a job to do he was there

899
00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:36,849
to protect his client you know so I

900
00:44:41,309 --> 00:44:39,460
don't know what this concealed and

901
00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:41,319
disinformation where any of that comes

902
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:43,960
in I mean you know the film was shown

903
00:44:48,809 --> 00:44:46,510
around the world well as where is the

904
00:44:51,809 --> 00:44:48,819
concealment where's the attempts to you

905
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:51,819
know a disinformation there wasn't any

906
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:55,900
you know it's as simple as that you know

907
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,450
Gary Sheffield was was was not really

908
00:45:03,390 --> 00:45:00,400
involved he's racing to his business

909
00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:03,400
partner I saw them together but he had

910
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:06,339
no real involvement in it jumped you

911
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:08,049
know that's Chris Kerry you've got a

912
00:45:12,089 --> 00:45:10,450
picture him on their focus bill Berg was

913
00:45:17,099 --> 00:45:12,099
just a man and put the money up when he

914
00:45:19,470 --> 00:45:17,109
was away in in Germany and Gareth Watson

915
00:45:21,569 --> 00:45:19,480
is a nice guy very nice quiet fella but

916
00:45:25,799 --> 00:45:21,579
he wasn't in PR he was just an employee

917
00:45:32,339 --> 00:45:25,809
of the company so what is the PR people

918
00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:32,349
you know Chris Kerry I would like to

919
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:33,940
also make it clear to the audience that

920
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:36,430
if there's anybody that would know where

921
00:45:40,799 --> 00:45:38,410
there's PR people or not

922
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,809
well Spiro sand yourself would know

923
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:42,640
because you follow this from the very

924
00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:46,480
beginning yeah I spent hours and hours

925
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:49,240
and hours in race until his office you

926
00:45:54,329 --> 00:45:51,630
know I used to go there once a month

927
00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:54,339
during the week during business hours so

928
00:45:59,850 --> 00:45:56,470
all the staff were there and it was

929
00:46:02,670 --> 00:45:59,860
chaos champ there was no PR

930
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:02,680
you know as simple as up so call it a

931
00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:05,080
life of its own and Christian was

932
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,390
brought in to try and you know steal

933
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:09,520
that state of the ship which at that

934
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:12,520
point was impossible you know I wanted

935
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,710
to tell you something that Ray Santilli

936
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:17,440
told me in my 45-minute interview with

937
00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:21,310
him and that was this year and what ray

938
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:25,030
told me was that Chris a unand Allah and

939
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:28,410
Chris he didn't say his last name

940
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:31,240
actually that was Gary shufelt who said

941
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:34,750
the name of Chris I believe ray didn't

942
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:37,810
say the name but it was Gary Schofield

943
00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:42,690
who said that Chris went to the Pentagon

944
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:46,120
at the behest of the Pentagon is that

945
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:49,150
they actually flew him over there to

946
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:53,200
look at the alien autopsy movie and I I

947
00:47:00,120 --> 00:46:56,410
guess for them to review it and I

948
00:47:02,850 --> 00:47:00,130
believe that Chris according to Gary I

949
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:02,860
have to double check my my notes on that

950
00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:06,580
but may have had to take that tape with

951
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:09,190
him to the Pentagon and it was the 18

952
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:11,170
minute alien autopsy film for them to

953
00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:14,980
review now when I talked to Ray Santilli

954
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:17,800
about that and asked him he said that

955
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:20,170
there was no such thing that took place

956
00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:23,170
meaning that that was not his exact

957
00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:26,470
quote but that he denied that that event

958
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:28,420
ever took place that there was nobody on

959
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:31,270
his team so to speak that ever went back

960
00:47:36,030 --> 00:47:33,610
to the Pentagon to show them anything

961
00:47:38,910 --> 00:47:36,040
that was 18 minute alien autopsy related

962
00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:38,920
what are your thoughts on that well

963
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:41,470
exactly and or a number of claims made

964
00:47:46,530 --> 00:47:43,660
around that time champ one was the

965
00:47:49,070 --> 00:47:46,540
Pentagon another one was that they'd

966
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:49,080
showed him to delay a gathering of

967
00:47:57,090 --> 00:47:54,730
religious leaders within the UK and none

968
00:47:59,460 --> 00:47:57,100
of this was supportive when when chips

969
00:48:01,680 --> 00:47:59,470
were done you know it was all playing in

970
00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:01,690
the sky absolute nonsense so he you've

971
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:04,300
got to to gentleman's supposed to be in

972
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:05,710
this together and they're both telling

973
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:08,170
conflicting stories I'm just about

974
00:48:10,570 --> 00:48:10,030
simply or does it know I would like to

975
00:48:14,290 --> 00:48:10,580
make

976
00:48:17,890 --> 00:48:14,300
so that in the 2.5 hours of interviewing

977
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:17,900
Gary Sheffield and then the 45-minute

978
00:48:23,110 --> 00:48:20,570
interview I did with Ray Santilli they

979
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:23,120
actually directly not indirectly but

980
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:25,610
directly contradict one another on the

981
00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:29,990
provenance and history of the 18 minutes

982
00:48:37,180 --> 00:48:33,740
alien autopsy film now does that

983
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:37,190
surprise you no not at all because Gary

984
00:48:42,850 --> 00:48:40,010
was was not really involved you know you

985
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:42,860
rarely saw Gary would come and go but he

986
00:48:47,950 --> 00:48:45,530
have no real part blames I think it was

987
00:48:49,570 --> 00:48:47,960
Ray's best friend that's why he was

988
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:49,580
involved you know there were business

989
00:48:55,450 --> 00:48:53,330
partners so you know like I say that the

990
00:48:57,940 --> 00:48:55,460
alien autopsy film took on a life of its

991
00:49:00,400 --> 00:48:57,950
own when you watch the movie that they

992
00:49:02,650 --> 00:49:00,410
made you know one of the things that

993
00:49:05,290 --> 00:49:02,660
they're showing now is how it took off

994
00:49:07,390 --> 00:49:05,300
and really just made things up as they

995
00:49:08,590 --> 00:49:07,400
went along and then when he was found

996
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:08,600
out it would change his story

997
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:11,510
accordingly and and that's just what

998
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:15,470
happened you know they were you know if

999
00:49:19,330 --> 00:49:17,450
it was the real thing jump do you not

1000
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:19,340
think that the dub this imprinted on

1001
00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:21,050
their brain this would be the most

1002
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:23,720
important piece of filming in the entire

1003
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:26,330
history of mankind but yet they can't

1004
00:49:31,050 --> 00:49:28,310
get the story right I need Gary

1005
00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:31,060
interview recently and he said they have

1006
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,600
one minute and 18 seconds of film

1007
00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:37,520
now there's 24 frames per second so

1008
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:39,800
that's a lot of frames then you I heard

1009
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:41,570
Rick Santelli interviewed the same week

1010
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:43,700
and he said oh we haven't got any we've

1011
00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:46,580
got a goalie got scraps so they can't

1012
00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:53,140
okay well I'm very grateful to you for

1013
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:56,180
your time today and it was just curious

1014
00:50:00,210 --> 00:49:57,770
what time is it where you're at right

1015
00:50:04,690 --> 00:50:00,220
now time is now

1016
00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:04,700
9:15 Ben yes okay so Phil you've been

1017
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,190
very kind regarding your time and you

1018
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:09,440
know I was just absolutely

1019
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:12,170
when they saw that great post who did

1020
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:14,270
today that allowed us to look at a

1021
00:50:19,060 --> 00:50:17,330
little bit of actual history regarding

1022
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,070
you know artifacts that you shared

1023
00:50:26,050 --> 00:50:22,640
regarding this film that is not real and

1024
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:26,060
also just so everybody knows Phil is

1025
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:31,280
showing me right now a FedEx it's an

1026
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:33,830
actual FedEx package the original one

1027
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:38,540
used to ascend the throne travesty of

1028
00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:46,610
the alien autopsy movie to KITT and I'm

1029
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:49,400
sorry was calm tell her and Eric Davis

1030
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:50,990
can you tell us a little bit about that

1031
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:54,170
while I go grab my my plug just one sec

1032
00:51:04,360 --> 00:50:57,770
I have to grab my plug yeah I mean this

1033
00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:04,370
is the film was returned to me and the

1034
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:10,820
canister I've sent you a you know I a

1035
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:14,720
resolution copy of this chance on the

1036
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:17,390
front of you has my old address where I

1037
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:19,780
used to live I don't live there anymore

1038
00:51:24,910 --> 00:51:22,370
there's all the FedEx dumps everything

1039
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:24,920
on it on the back is the invoice that

1040
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:28,670
was signed at the the other end and it

1041
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:32,960
comes from dr. Cohen Kelleher nastily to

1042
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,650
Discovery Sciences somebody else only on

1043
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:38,480
the post-it note the green post-it note

1044
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:40,610
there's no year tells you it doesn't

1045
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:42,650
give you the year but there's a date on

1046
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:45,830
this and it was returned on the 10th of

1047
00:51:55,710 --> 00:51:50,810
the 10th 2001 so you have a high-res

1048
00:51:58,660 --> 00:51:55,720
copy of that to use as you see fit

1049
00:52:00,940 --> 00:51:58,670
there's the cassette and the bits and

1050
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:00,950
pieces are in it let's talk about that

1051
00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:03,290
date can you please say that date again

1052
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:08,540
the month and the year yeah it's the

1053
00:52:15,069 --> 00:52:13,100
10th of October 2001 huh that's

1054
00:52:20,799 --> 00:52:15,079
interesting

1055
00:52:23,469 --> 00:52:20,809
10th of October 2001 and the date here

1056
00:52:24,969 --> 00:52:23,479
that we see Phil and let's Li explain to

1057
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:24,979
everybody if they're just coming in on

1058
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:30,380
this interview October 10th of 2001 a

1059
00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:33,650
FedEx package was returned to Phillip

1060
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:37,940
mantel regarding the alien autopsy of

1061
00:52:45,969 --> 00:52:41,089
fragments of the alien autopsy movie the

1062
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:45,979
18 minute one which is fake and he had

1063
00:52:58,059 --> 00:52:52,130
sent it out to kick Greene and Eric sir

1064
00:53:00,039 --> 00:52:58,069
calm caliper and Davis and what does it

1065
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:00,049
say that bill McGarry had anything to do

1066
00:53:06,489 --> 00:53:02,170
with that by the way

1067
00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:06,499
no it just mentions him on the account

1068
00:53:10,059 --> 00:53:07,880
home opening at the moment it's old

1069
00:53:13,269 --> 00:53:10,069
badge so it says it says receipt from

1070
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:13,279
Phillip natural you know he have bill

1071
00:53:17,170 --> 00:53:15,140
McGarity wonder what that means though

1072
00:53:18,849 --> 00:53:17,180
via I know that means by but what does

1073
00:53:21,819 --> 00:53:18,859
it really mean in the whole context of

1074
00:53:23,949 --> 00:53:21,829
stuff receive from Phillip mantel by

1075
00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:23,959
Bill McGarity but what does that really

1076
00:53:34,089 --> 00:53:24,940
mean

1077
00:53:40,269 --> 00:53:34,099
wasn't standing next to you when you

1078
00:53:48,729 --> 00:53:40,279
sent this out so no recollection of Bill

1079
00:53:51,749 --> 00:53:48,739
McGann it's his name until this memo no

1080
00:53:55,479 --> 00:53:51,759
well there's two signatures only I

1081
00:53:57,519 --> 00:53:55,489
assume each them the the gentleman whose

1082
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:57,529
name is on the invoice that comes with

1083
00:54:01,269 --> 00:53:57,890
it

1084
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:01,279
he's dr. Coleman Kelleher and I remember

1085
00:54:06,189 --> 00:54:04,130
I do remember communicating with him my

1086
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:06,199
email around about that time I don't

1087
00:54:12,759 --> 00:54:07,880
have the emails anymore they're long

1088
00:54:14,949 --> 00:54:12,769
since gone so but I got I got lots of

1089
00:54:20,499 --> 00:54:14,959
emails about the alien autopsy fool and

1090
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:20,509
I still do Jan so no I I do okay so and

1091
00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:21,400
I have some

1092
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:23,080
to say after this that's kind of

1093
00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:27,280
important okay so right here and I'm

1094
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:28,870
gonna bring it up again to our listeners

1095
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:32,410
received from Philip mantel via bill

1096
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:35,920
McGarrity now Phil can honestly say he

1097
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:37,900
doesn't have any recollection of this

1098
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:41,290
bill McGarrity now it says on August

1099
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:43,900
25th at 10:00 a.m.

1100
00:54:51,090 --> 00:54:48,160
signed we're assuming that well we can't

1101
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:51,100
assume allegedly signed by cohn Kelleher

1102
00:54:57,830 --> 00:54:55,530
and allegedly signed by eric w davis now

1103
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:57,840
[Music]

1104
00:55:04,610 --> 00:55:00,880
by the way still do you remember sending

1105
00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:04,620
this off that's my question to you no I

1106
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:07,950
know I don't remember sending it off

1107
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,850
that's important for everybody

1108
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:11,680
understand Phil does not remember

1109
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:15,280
sending this package now you do believe

1110
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:16,800
you did though right

1111
00:55:23,730 --> 00:55:20,530
probably or I facilitated it being sent

1112
00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:23,740
via Ray Santilli and it was returned to

1113
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:25,870
me that that's another possibility

1114
00:55:32,670 --> 00:55:30,640
I do remember trying to organize a beat

1115
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:32,680
accountant copy of the film because I

1116
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:36,460
have one myself so basically is a higher

1117
00:55:44,970 --> 00:55:42,790
quality industry used tape so this is

1118
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:44,980
what they used to make copies from and

1119
00:55:50,790 --> 00:55:47,950
so until he sent me this one and I did

1120
00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:50,800
exactly the same a collie who worked in

1121
00:55:55,860 --> 00:55:53,350
the in the television industry I sent

1122
00:55:59,790 --> 00:55:55,870
him this and he made high-resolution

1123
00:56:01,680 --> 00:55:59,800
copies on CD and they were distributed

1124
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:01,690
for research purposes with with some

1125
00:56:07,890 --> 00:56:06,160
choice permission and well okay so I

1126
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:07,900
just wanted to talk a little bit about

1127
00:56:14,490 --> 00:56:12,400
mail and how it how it is sent in we'll

1128
00:56:17,490 --> 00:56:14,500
just say first of all countries for

1129
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:17,500
example in the United States and then I

1130
00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:18,850
have to ask you a question about this

1131
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:21,190
Phil in the United States when you sense

1132
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:23,230
a meal you know like a package it could

1133
00:56:27,380 --> 00:56:25,260
take anywhere from three to set

1134
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:27,390
days probably not seven days but you

1135
00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:29,670
know three to five days maybe seven at

1136
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:31,320
the very most I don't see it taking that

1137
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:34,350
long for a package to get anywhere and

1138
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:35,910
that's if you don't FedEx it

1139
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:38,730
sometimes it can take you know one or

1140
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:42,810
two days if there is the place is local

1141
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:45,270
that's sending it to the person who is

1142
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:49,500
receiving it now in England where you're

1143
00:56:58,610 --> 00:56:56,010
at wanted to know when mail goes is sent

1144
00:57:01,040 --> 00:56:58,620
is it the same around a same amount of

1145
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:01,050
time in the UK yeah absolutely

1146
00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:03,450
oh sheesh so so then my question to you

1147
00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:09,750
is when stuff is FedExed in the UK when

1148
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:12,990
you use it it generally takes what

1149
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:15,480
people would assume a FedEx package

1150
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,450
would take one to two days right you get

1151
00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:19,920
the three days at the most

1152
00:57:25,940 --> 00:57:22,550
can we agree on that okay though I

1153
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:25,950
wanted to bring up this interesting date

1154
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:29,490
on August 25th that would have to have

1155
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:35,010
been year 2001 right yep okay that this

1156
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:37,170
was received from Philip mantel via Bill

1157
00:57:48,050 --> 00:57:41,090
McGarrity now folks on the alien autopsy

1158
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:48,060
memo it clearly states the date is 3:23

1159
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:52,000
of 2001

1160
00:58:01,280 --> 00:57:57,790
now if this was received on August 25th

1161
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:01,290
and probably sent on the 23rd or the

1162
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:05,680
22nd right though by FedEx we'll just

1163
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:08,050
assume or maybe even a little earlier in

1164
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:11,530
August why is the date on the alien

1165
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:15,849
autopsy memo say through 23 of 2001 I've

1166
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:18,970
no idea I kind of explained you know all

1167
00:58:26,910 --> 00:58:20,650
I can show you is the dates that are on

1168
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:26,920
this but again I've no recollection of

1169
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:31,119
when this may have been sent but this

1170
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:33,010
but this artifact here you shared

1171
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:35,650
actually says received on August 25th

1172
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:39,490
yeah right

1173
00:58:43,170 --> 00:58:41,710
soand doesn't give the year so that was

1174
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:43,180
the next thing I was gonna bring up it

1175
00:58:50,790 --> 00:58:46,330
doesn't give the year however why would

1176
00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:50,800
it take from August until potentially

1177
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:54,460
the next year for them to look at the

1178
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,720
fragments of film that that you provided

1179
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:01,119
for everybody to look at and those

1180
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:02,890
fragments are really nothing it doesn't

1181
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:06,910
even clued the alleged alien in the 18

1182
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:09,550
minute alien autopsy right so there's

1183
00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:12,190
really nothing for them to review other

1184
00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:15,220
than assuming they may have somebody who

1185
00:59:21,570 --> 00:59:18,760
is capable of forensic analysis of the

1186
00:59:24,570 --> 00:59:21,580
frames the 16 millimeter frames of film

1187
00:59:28,859 --> 00:59:24,580
the the tiny fragments you have there

1188
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:28,869
right yeah so I just would like to bring

1189
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:30,609
that to the attention of our listeners

1190
00:59:38,370 --> 00:59:34,630
that if it was being the artifact sent

1191
00:59:40,020 --> 00:59:38,380
that the artifact being the 60

1192
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:40,030
millimeter frames of film from the

1193
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,210
a-team in alien autopsy that if that was

1194
00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:45,760
sent it would have had to have been in

1195
00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:50,800
year 2000 because the date of this memo

1196
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:54,940
says 323 2001 and it also says revision

1197
01:00:00,440 --> 00:59:57,930
of memo to 23:01

1198
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:00,450
so I assume that the revision of this

1199
01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,299
memo the original memo date was not

1200
01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:05,640
shared so we still have yet to wonder

1201
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,150
what date is the original memo of this

1202
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:12,000
alien autopsy memo see that and of

1203
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,049
itself is a huge question yeah

1204
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:18,240
absolutely I mean you know the dates on

1205
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:19,440
here and other dates that they were

1206
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,170
returned not what he was sent of course

1207
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:24,420
and I have no recollection of sending it

1208
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:28,260
I don't have a ever have out of Federal

1209
01:00:32,420 --> 01:00:30,930
Express accounts challenge so I

1210
01:00:35,539 --> 01:00:32,430
certainly couldn't have sent it by

1211
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:35,549
Federal Express however you know I would

1212
01:00:40,190 --> 01:00:37,410
just use the normal Postal Service

1213
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:40,200
myself but you know it has been returned

1214
01:00:45,370 --> 01:00:43,740
by FedEx okay you've seen the you know

1215
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:45,380
the packaging and everything that's

1216
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:48,119
remained in my files as it was what I

1217
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:49,799
received it I would also like to bring

1218
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:53,960
up to the audience why would anybody

1219
01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:58,410
take it that many months to return a

1220
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:01,500
package and send it by FedEx I mean it's

1221
01:01:07,279 --> 01:01:03,510
not like it was time sensitive for you

1222
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,289
to receive it by FedEx right no so then

1223
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:10,559
then you would think that whomever sent

1224
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,770
it by mail would just send it and it

1225
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,160
would take the extra two or three days

1226
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:18,480
unless of course they believed it was

1227
01:01:24,529 --> 01:01:21,630
something worthy of you know protecting

1228
01:01:27,529 --> 01:01:24,539
or needed to be delivered safely I you

1229
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:27,539
know we've no idea what they received

1230
01:01:34,579 --> 01:01:30,529
the value of this the contents of this

1231
01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:34,589
so is it true to say that in the UK you

1232
01:01:41,539 --> 01:01:38,339
all have a postal service separate from

1233
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:41,549
FedEx that is capable of sending

1234
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:44,099
packages in the same protected manner

1235
01:01:48,529 --> 01:01:46,859
that FedEx can because I know the United

1236
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:48,539
States Postal Service has that

1237
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:51,059
capability do you guys yeah yeah

1238
01:01:58,279 --> 01:01:54,079
absolutely okay so that just you know

1239
01:02:00,319 --> 01:01:58,289
it's just curious to me so anyway I'm so

1240
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:00,329
glad that we were able to go over this I

1241
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:01,529
know that I'll probably have more

1242
01:02:07,630 --> 01:02:03,610
questions what I think of

1243
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:07,640
but I wanted to ask you would you be

1244
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:09,410
interested in doing an interview with

1245
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:10,490
Spyros Millar's

1246
01:02:17,050 --> 01:02:12,650
on at the same time in the future oh

1247
01:02:18,790 --> 01:02:17,060
yeah absolutely okay well I really

1248
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,800
appreciate your time today thank you for

1249
01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:20,720
this fascinating post that you did and

1250
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:23,240
do you believe you may have some more

1251
01:02:28,030 --> 01:02:25,490
artifacts to share about the 18 minute

1252
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:28,040
alien autopsy movie or have you hit your

1253
01:02:33,310 --> 01:02:30,770
limit on this think there's anything

1254
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:33,320
else but of course it's a paper and

1255
01:02:37,350 --> 01:02:34,790
things like that but then you know

1256
01:02:41,260 --> 01:02:37,360
there's nothing on them have any notes

1257
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:41,270
apart from just pure research okay and

1258
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:43,190
before we go can you please tell our

1259
01:02:51,790 --> 01:02:48,650
audience how long literally it's been so

1260
01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:51,800
many years folks that phil has actually

1261
01:02:58,900 --> 01:02:55,190
been in communication from the get-go

1262
01:03:01,240 --> 01:02:58,910
with Ray Santilli and everybody else

1263
01:03:03,340 --> 01:03:01,250
regarding this film the 18 minute alien

1264
01:03:07,180 --> 01:03:03,350
autopsy film regarding researching it

1265
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,190
how you making me sound really old chum

1266
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:09,680
you really but know when I was first

1267
01:03:14,590 --> 01:03:13,310
contacted by rain chantilly in 1993

1268
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:14,600
there you go

1269
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:16,970
okay so there you have it and the reason

1270
01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:19,370
why I asked Phil that question is so

1271
01:03:25,570 --> 01:03:21,350
everybody understands that if there's

1272
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:25,580
any expert on this 18 minute alien

1273
01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:28,130
autopsy film aside from the obvious

1274
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:32,560
being Spira smell ours it is Phil mantle

1275
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:35,810
he is the go-to guy regarding being

1276
01:03:41,050 --> 01:03:37,730
expert on this film along with Spyros

1277
01:03:47,140 --> 01:03:41,060
they know literally every aspect every

1278
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:47,150
facet of the story of this film and one

1279
01:03:53,260 --> 01:03:49,490
question that seems to come up an awful

1280
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:53,270
lot is why has Ray Santilli said that

1281
01:03:58,810 --> 01:03:55,850
there's a real film within a fake film

1282
01:04:00,820 --> 01:03:58,820
is that you know how does that work out

1283
01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:00,830
I know the answer but will you go ahead

1284
01:04:06,340 --> 01:04:03,350
and tell our listeners what he meant by

1285
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:06,350
that which is not claims that when you

1286
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:09,410
see the movie you know the alien autopsy

1287
01:04:17,710 --> 01:04:14,330
film itself the that is a these words of

1288
01:04:19,540 --> 01:04:17,720
creation that slotted into it our little

1289
01:04:20,410 --> 01:04:19,550
scraps of film that they managed to

1290
01:04:22,450 --> 01:04:20,420
salvage

1291
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:22,460
he claims that when they got the film it

1292
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,130
was it was destroyed you know it melted

1293
01:04:29,230 --> 01:04:27,440
or whatever so the use some of the

1294
01:04:32,620 --> 01:04:29,240
images from it to make the film of

1295
01:04:35,170 --> 01:04:32,630
recreate it but they actually spliced in

1296
01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:35,180
real frames of film however there's no

1297
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:37,070
idea where those real frames of film are

1298
01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:38,810
of course all you would need to do is

1299
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:40,550
look at the film and you'll be able to

1300
01:04:47,410 --> 01:04:44,990
see where it's spliced oh so it's just

1301
01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:47,420
nonsense jump it really is it's really

1302
01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:48,980
important that people understand that

1303
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:52,700
that if that story were real why does

1304
01:05:00,370 --> 01:04:56,570
Ray Santilli not share the actual film

1305
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:00,380
to show the spliced areas where these

1306
01:05:08,770 --> 01:05:03,890
so-called original frames of the film

1307
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,780
are rightful absolutely I mean can you

1308
01:05:12,460 --> 01:05:10,640
imagine it I mean Ray's made a lot of

1309
01:05:14,830 --> 01:05:12,470
money from it let's be honest but can

1310
01:05:17,110 --> 01:05:14,840
you imagine what it would be worth if it

1311
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:17,120
had been authenticated jumped it would

1312
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:19,490
be priceless erased until he's a

1313
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:21,290
businessman he always said he wanted to

1314
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:23,510
commercialize the film he would not have

1315
01:05:28,450 --> 01:05:25,490
missed the opportunity to have it

1316
01:05:32,770 --> 01:05:28,460
authenticated if it was real but of

1317
01:05:34,210 --> 01:05:32,780
course it's not um ok and I think there

1318
01:05:37,570 --> 01:05:34,220
was something else I wanted to mention

1319
01:05:40,180 --> 01:05:37,580
yes Gary shoe field when I interviewed

1320
01:05:43,300 --> 01:05:40,190
him he told me that in order for folks

1321
01:05:45,250 --> 01:05:43,310
to see the alleged original he didn't

1322
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:45,260
use a word alleged by the way he did say

1323
01:05:54,070 --> 01:05:50,480
that it was the original film that was

1324
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:54,080
then inter woven into this 18 minute

1325
01:06:00,550 --> 01:05:56,510
alien autopsy

1326
01:06:06,310 --> 01:06:00,560
faked film that in order to see the

1327
01:06:08,410 --> 01:06:06,320
original frames that a person would need

1328
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:08,420
to see when there's the bleached out

1329
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:10,490
parts the film like they're more

1330
01:06:17,650 --> 01:06:13,520
luminous Lee white more more White's

1331
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:17,660
whited out like flashes of light during

1332
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:19,550
the film what are your thoughts on that

1333
01:06:25,150 --> 01:06:21,950
well it just shows you no idea what he's

1334
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:25,160
talking about those flashes of light as

1335
01:06:30,190 --> 01:06:27,920
the is the leader film going through the

1336
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:30,200
camera if there's anybody out there that

1337
01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:32,210
used to use filming they're still

1338
01:06:36,430 --> 01:06:34,940
cameras before the days of digital you

1339
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:36,440
put your film in your camera and you

1340
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:37,970
would wind it on a couple of times

1341
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:40,550
before you started taking pictures well

1342
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:42,710
it's the same with sixteen millimeter

1343
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:45,170
film there's a little bit of leader and

1344
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:47,180
he it captures the light as it's going

1345
01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:48,920
through and that's what you see on the

1346
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:50,980
alien autopsy film

1347
01:06:55,870 --> 01:06:54,020
sixteen millimeter film reel only lasts

1348
01:06:58,510 --> 01:06:55,880
for three minutes so you have to change

1349
01:07:00,250 --> 01:06:58,520
it so at the beginning and the end of

1350
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:00,260
each piece of film at least this little

1351
01:07:06,670 --> 01:07:02,650
whited out area it's just a natural

1352
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:06,680
filmmaking it's nothing else yeah I know

1353
01:07:13,470 --> 01:07:07,690
what you're talking about

1354
01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:13,480
and let's see what else did he say

1355
01:07:20,770 --> 01:07:18,260
so I I think I may have pressed him a

1356
01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:20,780
little further on this question of

1357
01:07:28,859 --> 01:07:23,510
regarding the original parts of the film

1358
01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:31,690
what part was real if he could remember

1359
01:07:40,420 --> 01:07:35,900
like a scene from it and he said the

1360
01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:40,430
scene where a crystal is being taken out

1361
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:43,070
of the chest cavity the chest area of

1362
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:45,170
the alien that that he believed that

1363
01:07:49,530 --> 01:07:46,570
that part was real

1364
01:07:52,590 --> 01:07:49,540
and he also said that he had seen the

1365
01:07:54,990 --> 01:07:52,600
80-mile minute alien autopsy movie so

1366
01:07:57,180 --> 01:07:55,000
much that it sort of blended together to

1367
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:57,190
him so to speak that that he no longer

1368
01:08:04,500 --> 01:07:59,460
remembered the real parts or not

1369
01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:04,510
thoughts yeah yeah well whatever did he

1370
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:06,070
also go on to tell you that there's

1371
01:08:11,790 --> 01:08:09,760
actually two alien autopsy films one of

1372
01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:11,800
which has never been seen in public so

1373
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:14,230
when they were making the recreation you

1374
01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:21,490
to recreate two frames of filming it as

1375
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,480
well but still would be original

1376
01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:27,520
celluloid somewhere chunked and all you

1377
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:28,990
have to do is unravel it and you will

1378
01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:34,810
see where it's spliced and that's it now

1379
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:44,470
I when I talked to Ray Santilli I asked

1380
01:08:54,269 --> 01:08:52,000
him if any of it the original film

1381
01:08:57,210 --> 01:08:54,279
actually covered the Roswell incident

1382
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:57,220
that happened in 1947 with the alleged

1383
01:09:03,539 --> 01:09:01,359
crashed UFO with the et crap that a

1384
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:03,549
crashed and actually Corona New Mexico

1385
01:09:11,370 --> 01:09:09,850
not Roswell and he said yes it was well

1386
01:09:13,740 --> 01:09:11,380
he gives a different day parade

1387
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:13,750
according to Santilli he released a

1388
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:15,970
statement from his cameraman that this

1389
01:09:22,829 --> 01:09:20,080
happened on the 31st of May 1947 well

1390
01:09:27,170 --> 01:09:22,839
the actual Roswell event didn't happen

1391
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:27,180
until July you know not made a 30-person

1392
01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:30,850
early July so even the dates wrong when

1393
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:33,060
you look at his so-called cameraman's

1394
01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:35,529
statements full of English spelling

1395
01:09:39,599 --> 01:09:38,140
you know this gentleman's supposed to be

1396
01:09:42,570 --> 01:09:39,609
American you wouldn't it wouldn't write

1397
01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:42,580
things in English English English you

1398
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:48,910
know what I mean yeah so what we need to

1399
01:09:52,460 --> 01:09:49,710
do

1400
01:09:55,490 --> 01:09:52,470
we need to actually have you listened to

1401
01:09:56,780 --> 01:09:55,500
that Ray Santilli and Gary shoe field

1402
01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:56,790
interview when you get an opportunity

1403
01:10:04,940 --> 01:09:59,940
with me okay I don't know that you have

1404
01:10:08,450 --> 01:10:04,950
2.5 hours dispatcher but you probably do

1405
01:10:12,110 --> 01:10:08,460
have 45 minutes maybe at some point to

1406
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:12,120
listen to Ray Santilli and maybe as much

1407
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:14,490
of Gary's shoe field as you wish it's up

1408
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,620
to you would you be in position to do

1409
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:18,960
that sometime this year yeah absolutely

1410
01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:20,520
and I'll take some notes as I'm

1411
01:10:27,650 --> 01:10:23,190
listening I was out that would be great

1412
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,660
and then also I think I'm just reading

1413
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:29,760
my notes here on the Ray and sent of Ray

1414
01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:35,010
Santilli and Gary interview yeah so I

1415
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:36,780
asked him can you see all the questions

1416
01:10:43,940 --> 01:10:40,800
I asked here I asked ray I asked him a

1417
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:43,950
total of 25 questions it looks like

1418
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:50,430
roughly 25 questions so yeah okay so I'm

1419
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:52,290
excited this means that we get to go

1420
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:53,610
ahead and listen to the interviews now I

1421
01:10:59,050 --> 01:10:55,410
just want to let my audience know before

1422
01:11:01,790 --> 01:10:59,060
I let Phil go here that if purposely not

1423
01:11:05,210 --> 01:11:01,800
revealed those interviews regarding race

1424
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:05,220
and chili and Gary shoe field

1425
01:11:11,690 --> 01:11:08,730
for reasons that are basically time

1426
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:11,700
related I want to go ahead and let

1427
01:11:18,170 --> 01:11:14,460
everybody know when I feel I want to go

1428
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:18,180
ahead and publish those podcasts for

1429
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,850
everybody to listen to I'll do it when I

1430
01:11:27,230 --> 01:11:23,760
want to I think some people have

1431
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:27,240
wondered well you know why is that it's

1432
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:29,070
just at my discretion I don't have a

1433
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:31,020
deadline on it I actually had somebody

1434
01:11:37,690 --> 01:11:33,780
tell me they had the gall to tell me

1435
01:11:40,580 --> 01:11:37,700
that I had no right to publish those

1436
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,590
podcasts until they decided when I was

1437
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:42,960
gonna do that no it was neither rain or

1438
01:11:46,730 --> 01:11:44,490
Gary who told me that that was somebody

1439
01:11:48,710 --> 01:11:46,740
else and I scoff at them telling

1440
01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:48,720
everybody now if that's absolutely

1441
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:51,390
unacceptable I will reveal them what I

1442
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:54,510
feel like I want you but I must most

1443
01:11:59,250 --> 01:11:57,130
certainly allow Spyros boleros

1444
01:12:00,600 --> 01:11:59,260
and fill natural to listen to them

1445
01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:00,610
whenever they feel like they're able to

1446
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,950
so thank you so much for your time today

1447
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:04,960
I want to ask you before we let you go

1448
01:12:10,650 --> 01:12:07,930
can you please tell us what books have

1449
01:12:12,690 --> 01:12:10,660
recently been published this year by you

1450
01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:12,700
and what other things we had to look

1451
01:12:17,460 --> 01:12:14,830
forward to from you in the future like

1452
01:12:21,780 --> 01:12:17,470
as far as books being published or talks

1453
01:12:24,270 --> 01:12:21,790
by you or anything like that published a

1454
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:24,280
number of books this year I mean we had

1455
01:12:30,650 --> 01:12:27,520
a third one by dr. Irina Scott this is

1456
01:12:35,130 --> 01:12:30,660
called sacred corridors talks about her

1457
01:12:37,650 --> 01:12:35,140
official work on UFOs as a scientist and

1458
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:37,660
then we have one called portal by our

1459
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:40,090
colleague again originally from the

1460
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:43,630
Philippines but is now a US citizen we

1461
01:12:51,390 --> 01:12:48,640
had the the ufology umbrella by former

1462
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:51,400
RAF technician here in the UK as chap

1463
01:12:57,660 --> 01:12:55,210
called Jason Gleaves and I was coming

1464
01:13:01,020 --> 01:12:57,670
you know working on a follow-up book

1465
01:13:02,900 --> 01:13:01,030
with Calvin Parker hopefully that will

1466
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:02,910
be ready before the end of the year so

1467
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:04,900
I'm certainly kept busy

1468
01:13:11,550 --> 01:13:07,270
CHUM's yes you're doing a wonderful

1469
01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:11,560
service to the entire I also would like

1470
01:13:17,370 --> 01:13:14,920
to congratulate you on your four decades

1471
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:17,380
of service to the UFO community

1472
01:13:22,710 --> 01:13:19,690
regarding your wonderful research and

1473
01:13:26,820 --> 01:13:22,720
your cities a dedicated person it making

1474
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:26,830
me so really old again well we

1475
01:13:32,940 --> 01:13:29,290
appreciate you very much and I know that

1476
01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:32,950
you just have so many people who love to

1477
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:34,840
be able to call you have the privilege

1478
01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:38,740
of calling you their friend and and when

1479
01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:41,980
I say this it's an absolute fact there's

1480
01:13:45,690 --> 01:13:43,750
not a single individual I know out there

1481
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:45,700
that has

1482
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,650
even a shadow of a negative thought of

1483
01:13:52,980 --> 01:13:49,600
you Phil you're just a wonderful person

1484
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:52,990
all around we love you thank you very

1485
01:13:59,310 --> 01:13:57,520
much and your wife I'm sure she

1486
01:14:02,250 --> 01:13:59,320
understands that you've been very

1487
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:02,260
dedicated to this a UFO topic how does

1488
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:05,650
she feel about it oh she has no interest

1489
01:14:12,450 --> 01:14:09,130
in this subject I'm told so she kind of

1490
01:14:20,940 --> 01:14:12,460
keeps me grounded yes I think that she

1491
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:20,950
should have gotten an award too alright

1492
01:14:25,980 --> 01:14:22,510
thank you so much for having been on the